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....तो सिर्फ जाट ही बदनाम क्यों हैं?

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मैंने बुजुर्गों को बचपन ही से शादी ब्याह के वक्त गोत्र, उसमें भी उपजाति, परिवार के मूल स्थान और रीति रिवाज से लेकर वधु की चूड़ियों के रंग तक का अता पता करते देखा है. ये तय करने के लिए कि शादी मिलते जुलते खानदान के साथ तो हो लेकिन गलती से भी अपनी ही उपजाति के लड़के या लड़की से न हो जाए. खासकर पंजाबियों में ये मान कर चला गया है कि खुराना, कक्कड़, मक्कड़, सलूजा, सुखीजा, कपूर या चावला लड़का और लड़की कभी कोई पुरानी जान पहचान न हो तो भी आपस में भाई-बहन होते हैं.

पुराने ज़माने में संपर्क और सुविधाओं से वंचित समाज में मामा या मौसी के बेटे बेटी के साथ तो शादी जायज़ थी. किसी हद तक आज भी है. लेकिन चाचा या अपनी उपजाति के किसी, कहीं के भी लड़के लड़की की शादी पे पाबंदी थी. आज भी है. एक फर्क के साथ ये पाबंदी मुस्लिम समाज में भी थी. आज भी है. मुसलमानों में दूध के रिश्ते की शादी नाजायज़ है. यानी चाचा के लड़के या लड़की से तो शादी हो सकती है. लेकिन मामा या मौसी के बच्चे से शादी कतई नहीं हो सकती. इस्लाम में ऐसी शादियों को शरीअत के खिलाफ माना गया है. इस तरह की पाबंदियां आप समाज के हर तबके में पायेंगे. मैं भारत की बात कर रहा हूँ. जहां जाट भी रहते हैं. शादी के मामले में कुछ पाबंदियों की परंपरा अपने पूर्वजों से उन्हें भी मिली है शिष्टाचार के तमाम संस्कारों के साथ. और वे लागू भी रही हैं अब से महज़ कुछ महीने पहले तक. स्वभाव से दबंग होने के बावजूद जाट कभी उग्र नहीं हुए. इसलिए कि इसकी नौबत ही नहीं आई.   

अब आई है तो वे आपे से बाहर हुए हैं, हिंसक भी. और आप गौर करें इस हिंसा के पीछे भी परिवार की भूमिका कुछ कम, खाप की ज्यादा है. खाप भीड़ होती है. पर लोकतंत्र में भीड़ की भी एक भाषा होती है. अहमियत भी. हिंसा गलत है. कोई भी दलील किसी हत्या को जायज़ नहीं ठहरा सकती. कानून अपना काम करेगा. उसने किया. यहाँ टकराव दिखा. जो खापों को परंपरा में मिले वो संस्कार कानून की किताब में दर्ज नहीं थे. मनोज, बबली की गयी जान और कोई आधा दर्जन लोगों को फांसी के ऐलान के बाद ही सही समाज के संस्कारों और संविधान का सही मेल हो पाए तो ये बड़े पुण्य का काम होगा. मैं मीडिया में अपने मित्रों से उम्मीद करूँगा कि वे खापों को तालिबान बताने की बजाय एक बार अपने भी गिरेबान में झाँक कर देखें. जब खुद उनके परिवारों में फर्स्ट कजिन के साथ शादी नहीं हो सकती तो फिर इसका विरोध करने के लिए जाट ही बदनाम क्यों हैं? कुछ चिंतन मनन अपने अंतःकरण में जाटों और उनकी खापों को भी करना पड़ेगा. पंजाबियों और मुसलमानों ने तो शादी के लिए ददिहाल और ननिहाल में से एक रास्ता बंद किया है. खापों पे इलज़ाम है कि उनने इन दो के अलावा तीसरे और चौथे रास्ते पे भी नाका सा लगा रखा है.

ये ज़रूरी है देश की संसद खापों की हिन्दू मैरिज एक्ट में संशोधन की मांग पर विचार करे. शादी के लिए छत्तीसगढ़ और झारखण्ड से कुछ नज़दीक रास्ते जाटों की नई पीढी को भी दिखने चाहिए. वर्ना बेमेल शादियाँ होंगी. फतवे, खतरे होंगे. अदालतों में फ़रियाद होगी तो सुरक्षा मुहय्या कराने के आदेश भी दिए ही जायेंगे. खापों और पुलिस के बीच टकराव हमेशा रहेगा. इससे मुश्किलें बढेंगी. मतभेद मनभेद में बदले तो सरकार के लिए भी गोली डंडा चलाना दुश्वार हो जाएगा. हम सब अस्थायी असहमति के स्थायी अशांति में बदलने का इंतज़ार क्यों करें? ....मान के चलिए कि चौटाला और नवीन जिन्दलों के बाद "भाई-बहनों" की शादियों के खिलाफ तो जाटों के साथ कल दूसरी बिरादरियां भी होंगी.

लेखक जगमोहन फुटेला चंडीगढ़ के वरिष्ठ पत्रकार हैं.

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lekh achha likha hai
sushil Gangwar 2010-05-11 13:39:11

Jagmohan Ji aapka likhit lekh achha hai . U hi likhte rahe .

sushil Gangwar
www.sakshatkar.com
panchayat
dinesh kaushik smajsevi 2013-05-17 02:43:34

haryana me panchat or state se bdiya ho skti h
upaya jaldi no pesa
sbki sathi kisi se n dusmni
Anonymous 2010-05-11 14:05:57

:D
pankaj singh zee news 2010-05-11 14:51:17

jagmohan jee aap bhhut kuch janata hain par .ya batiya jaat kabhi sudhar shakta hain sudharo to jaanu.
Your category
san 2010-06-22 18:03:33

pankaj singh zee news

What do you mean by \"jaat kabhi sudhar shakta hain\"
1. Should they join your category?
2. Should they start getting involved in corruption?
3. Should they start marring their sister/daughter or girls from same clan, or same village, or first cousin etc. like you?
4. Should they abrogate their customs and cultures and join you?
5. Should they advocate gayness & lesbianism ?
6. Should they practice same sex , same clan etc. like you?

Grow up man and don\'t try to be judge and intrigue in the matter of Jats.
Your category
Ajmer Singh Chahal 2010-07-24 22:53:58

good :D
diwakar 2010-05-11 15:34:35

jagmohan ji, apke vicharon se 100% sehmat hoo. apesitereh lekhte rahe.
gotra ke nam par band kare rajniti
sagarbandhu 2010-05-11 18:35:26

:D haryana me gotra ke nam par ab gandi rajniti shuru ho gai hai. ise band karana chahie. kuch rajneta sanskriti ke thekedar bhi ban gaye hai, jo nai pidhi ko gumrah kar rahe ha. in netao se sawal karana chahiye ki gotra ki utpati kais hui. chautala jaise jat neta vigyan ki bat karane me lage hai. darsal ye sale neta desh aur samaj ko aage badhane dena nahi chahte hai. ye neta jab hotelo me jin adkiyo ke sath aayasi karate hai un ladakiyo ka gotra kyo nahi puchhte hai. sagotra vivah rokane ke liye samajik vhiskar kafi hai, n ki kanoon banana. is masale par kanoon banana ati pichhdepan ki nishanihogi. is masale par shor machnewale jat samaj ki apni utpati hi vivadit hai. ye jis gaon me jate hai usi gaon ke logo ka gotra apna lete hai. aise me kya garanti hai ki aapka gotra surkshit hai aur do pidhi baad aapke bete-betio ki shadi ek gotra me nahi hui hogi. :D
ऐसा नहीं है.
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-05-11 19:56:17

आपका तेवर आपकी भाषा से भी तीखा मालूम होता है भाई सागरबंधू जी.मैं सिर्फ इतना कहना चाहूंगा कि पिछले तीन दशकों में मैंने लगभग पूरे उत्तर भारत में काम किया है.मैं बेझिझक कह सकता हूँ कि जाटों समेत हरियाणा के तमाम लोग मुझे बहुत ही जागरूक और अपने कारोबार से लेकर सरोकार तक बहुत ही संजीदा लगे हैं.मैं उनकी राजनीतिक सूझबूझ का भी कायल हूँ (वर्ना आबादी में बमुश्किल बाईस फीसदी होने के बावजूद हरियाणा पे राज नहीं कर होते जाट)... संघर्षशील होना उनकी भौगोलिक मजबूरी है,दबंग हो जाना स्वभाव और अर्धअज्ञानता साथ जोड़ लें तो हिंसक हो जाना किसी भी कौम की तरह उनकी नियति.
पर,गोत्र विवाह मुद्दे पर अगर आप फिर भी उनसे सहमत नहीं हैं तो न हों.एक मौका उन्हें दें कि वे आपसे सहमत हो सकें.संवाद ज़रूरी है.मैं दावे से कहता हूँ कि आप गाँव के किसी अनपढ़ जाट से मिल आयें,अगले दिन आपकी राय बदल जायेगी.
jabab
rahul 2013-06-06 09:09:27

kya kh rha hai to langure ,, to pandit hoga ,, tere bhn ko bhaga le gya tha koi
band kare gotra ke nam par rajniti
sagarbandhu 2010-05-11 19:28:45

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Practical rule of marriage
Jai Prakash Sindhu 2010-05-11 21:12:32

For marriages the following restriction is more than enough:-
The couple getiing married, their parents, grand parents and paternal grand father/s should not be same or reals brothers/sisters or first cousins.
Practical rule of marriage
Jai Prakash Sindhu 2010-05-11 21:31:53

Minor mistake in above. It should be:
The parents, grand parents and paternal great grand fathers of the couple getiing married, should not be same or reals brothers/sisters or first cousins.
AAPKE DEEWANE HAIN!
Arjun Sharma 2010-05-12 02:37:05

Jagmohan ji aapka carrier 30 saal ka hai jisme se 20 saal se to hum hi aapko padhte chale aa rahe hain. aapke sath kaam bhi kiya hai aur aapki kalam ke prati deewngi bhi thi aur hai. bahut salon ke baad print main aapka naam dekh kar bahut khushi hui. yeh lekh samaaj ki purani manytaon aur badlte saamajik sarokaron se sambandhit hai jo inside ki jaankari deta hai
samaj ko taliban n banane de
sagarbandhu 2010-05-12 13:56:44

jagmohan jee, hamari sanskriti ko samaj ne bacha rakha hai, n ki ye neta. lekin jab hamare samaj kathit thekedaro ke hath me cahala jayega to samaj ko bachana muskil ho jayega. ye neta hamare samaj ko gumrah kar rahe hai, aapko yaad honga chautala ne kaha tha ki we antrajatiya vivah ke virodhi hai. dusari taraf wo gotra vivad par vigyan ka sahar lete hai. unhe ye bhi pata hona chahie ki vigyan dunia me stri & purush jati hi manata hai. phir ye jati ke nam par rajniti kyo karate hai. ye neta nai pidhi ke bacho me behtar sanskar dene ke bajay shiksha vyavstah ko hi chaupt kar rahe hai. jab in netao ka swarth sadhna hota hai to ye baat ko batangad banawa dete hai. sagotra ke nam par jin logo ki hatya hui hai. kya aaj se pahale aisi galati kisi ne nahi ki hai. ho sakta hai in logo ki hatya bhi rajnitik karano se hui ho. haryana me is tarah kigalati karanewale kai log hai, jo aaj bhi apne gaon me jinda hai, lekin unke pas paise hai, unke upar koi unagali utahane ki himakat nahi kar pata hai. jat samaj me hi apne mama ki chhori se vivah karanewale rajnitik dal ke padadhikari rah chuke hai. gotra raksha ka ek hi tarika hai samajik vhiskar. jat samaj ki nai pidhi ki bhi soch badal rahi hai. lekin kuch neta is samaj ko sudharne dena nahi chahte hai. rahi sata pane ki baat to sabako pata hai is desh ke neta kaise sata pate hai. is desh ki nai pidhi badal jaye aur jatpat khatm ho jaye tab pata lagega kaun jat aur kaun dalit neta hai. jarurat hai apne samaj ko taliban banane se rokane ka.
aaaa@
kkaka 2010-05-12 14:01:37

aa
Sahi Baat.... !!!!
Ishwar Dhamu 2010-05-15 19:04:06

Phutela Jee, chahe koi apani jid ke karan na mane par aapki baat sahi hai. Agar hum Paramparaon aur Sanskaron ko charcha se bahar kar dain to bhi aap sahi isliye hain k Medical Science bhi apane khun ke riston ko ASWIKAR karati hai. Jo log virodh kar rahain hai, usake pichhe rajnitik chah rahi hai. Lekin yakhan mai isaka apavad bhi batana chahunga. Haryana ke Hisar, Sirsa aur Fatehabad zilon ke bahurere ase gaon hain jahan pichhale 100 saalo se apane hi gaon mai shadian ho rahi hain. Lekin ab vai gaon wale bhi muddain ka samardhan kar rahe hain.
न,राजनीति नहीं है!
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-05-15 21:42:04

मैनें एक लेख और लिखा है.छपता होगा.पर इतना मैं बता दूं धामू जी,कि \'राजनीति हो रही है\' कहना या मान लेना बड़ी भूल होगी.बताइये मुझे एक पार्टी पूरे देश में जिसने इस मुद्दे का विरोध किया हो!...राजनीति तो तब होगी न, कि जब कोई विरोध में भी हो?...या कोई धर्म,सम्प्रदाय या संगठन ही बोला हो?..और तो और किसी नौजवान ने ही कहा हो कि वो नहीं मानता खाप वाप का गोत्र जाप!...ऐसा होता तो आज ये दिल्ली और गुजरात से बड़ा बावेला होता धामू जी. इसलिए कि \'भाई-बहनों\' में शादी कोई भी बिरादरी नहीं चाहती.तो फिर ये नेता भी इतने बड़े मुद्दे से कैसे अछूते रह सकते हैं?क्या वे सामाजिक प्राणी भी नहीं हैं?
एक बार इस पूरे प्रकरण से मनोज बबली की हत्या और नेताओं के बयान हटा कर देखिये.एक बार.फिर बताइये,क्या मुद्दे में दम नहीं है?...अपनी राय खुद को दे देने के बाद अब सामने रख लीजिये हत्या के मामले को भी.सजा तो हत्यारों को सुनाई जा चुकी.कौन बोला विरोध में?हत्याओं को जायज़ तो खुद खाप भी नहीं बता रही भाई.मुझे लगता है कि राजनीति और खापों को उनका मोहरा या तालिबान बता कर मूल मुद्दे को भोथरा करने,या कहें कि संगोत्र विवाह को जायज़ ठहराने की कोशिश हो रही है.खापों को तालिबान भी बताना है तो बताओ मित्रो.पर मूल मुद्दे पे भी अपनी राय तो दो!
badalti dunia ko bhi samajhe
sagarbandhu 2010-05-16 15:25:09

phutelaji, 1945 me bombay HC ne ek sagotra brahaman yugal jodi ko vaidhya thaharaya tha. tab khap ki panchyat kyo nahi hui thi. tabhi sambhal jana chahiye tha ki is tarah ki naubat aa sakati hai. rahi baat rajnetao ki to koi bhi khulakar is mamle par nahi bolega aur n hi kanoon bana payega. kyo ki dunia gotra se bahut aage nikal chuki hai. gotra jab tak bachakar rakhe hai, tabhi tak vivad hai. jatpat khatm hote hi naye gotra banane lagenge, aur naya samaj ban jayega, jisme koi chhut-achhut nahi rah jayega. dunia parivartanshil hai ye apane aap badalti rahegi, ise koi rok nahi payega. jab tak sambhav ho aap apani parampar ka nirvah kijiye. aage aap apana mat rakh sakate hai. koi mane n mane aap jor nahi de sakate. phutela ji aap apani jagah shi hai. aap pareshan n ho khap ko bhi smajhiye aur badal rahe jamane ko bhi samajhiye. puri dunia me nasalvad ke khilaf abhiyan jari hai, is abhiyan me apana desh kanha khada hai. jat-pat ki vajah se apne desh ki rajniti ko sahi disha nahi mil pa rahi hai. is mamale me rajaniti hai tabhi to koi bhi rajniti dal khulakar samane nahi aa raha hai.
medical science
Adam Singh 2010-05-20 17:48:05

sagarbandhu ji
just go through;
http://www.merinews.com/article/now-medical-science-supports-khap-panchayats-ideology/15805925.shtml
Now medical science supports Khap Panchayats ideology

Medical experts have also advised to avoid marriages in same gotra and within a village, as these can become a major cause of genetic disorders in the coming generation.
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Dr. Ramesh K. Madaan 2010-05-20 10:54:39

Respected Jagmohan ji, Jai Hind !
In the prevailing contemporary socio -political scenario,You really deserve appreciation for raising the serious issue of relevance leading to system and scientific approach. Keep it up....!!!
U know better.
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-05-20 19:24:48

Not even a single social scientist,journalist or organization from Haryana has opposed sangotra-weddings.Not even the congress who snubbed Naveen Jindal.Who knows better than intellectuals like u that khaaps are more worried about the age old social and local bonds.Thanks for joining debate.
Truth
Sanjay 2010-05-20 23:08:24

Jagmohan Phutela ji,

You simply rock. There are very few people like you in this world, who can pen down the truth.
People don\'t want to accept the truth and the good work done by the Khaps. The people must know the history of khaps before commenting on it. If these Khaps were present in Naxalite Area\'s. there won\'t have been naxalism in these area\'s. Since people could have resolved their issues with the help of these Khap.

Be above the board.
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-05-20 23:57:25

A sister,a brother and my son are judges,they also would have pronounced death penalty to the murderersNo judge including hon\'ble Vani Gopal Sharma would approve his/her own kin\'s marriage with the first cousin.
So the basic fact is that no one including judiciary is aginst what khaaps are fihjting for.They\'ve weaken their position but for promoting or protecting the crime.I\'m just for the educative approach.That\'s why I call upon my brothers in media to stop them calling Taalibaan etc.I strongly believe that lack of communication or pro-active violence on either side on this issue will have far reaching consequences.May be worst than naxalite problem.
Punjab problem & panchayati elders
Adam singh 2010-05-21 20:53:54

Futelaji
you might have seen the days of Punjab problem. KPS Gill & Late CM Beant Singh
took panchayati elders into confidence to tackle militents. & village elders supported govt to get rid of those days.
Yes,Janta is JANAARDAN.
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-05-24 21:00:44

Yes,u r right.Masses played a very crucial role.Beant gave his police heads a free hand and Ribero and KPS played counter terrorism card on scottland yard\'s pattern with the support of masses only.So,no doubt,janta is Janaardan.You can educate them,can\'t eliminate.
jati vandhan bhi todo
sagarbandhu 2010-05-26 15:36:06

aadamji, medical science bahut kuchh kahata hai. mai aap ko clear kar dena chahta hun ki sagotra vivah ka main support nahi kar raha hun. ham jab chahate hai vigyan ka sahara le lete hai. vigyan to yah bhi kahata hai ki duniya me sirf mard aur purush jati hoti hai. vigyan kahat hai ki antarjatiya vivah karane se tibra buddhiwala santal janm leti hai. phir jati bandhan ko todane ke liye bhi nai pidhi ko prerit karana chahiye.
Try to understand the issue
sanjay 2010-05-30 23:27:19

Khaps do not have and problem in inter-caste marriages or inter-religious marriages, it is matter of personal choice, but marrying in same clan and same village is not at all a personal one. It is community issue and the community has to resolve or deal with it.
Pashchimi Sabhyata Se Bachna
Kamal Chaudhary 2010-05-27 08:49:34

Shree Jagmohan g me aap ke vichaaro se puri tarah santusht hu. Apne hi gotra me shaadi karna hamare desh ki parampara kabhi nahi rahi. Ye bhi 1 tarah se pashchatya sanskriti ko apnana h , jisme kisi bhi prakaar ki apno ki sharam nahi h. Sagotriya shaadi se hum prakriti ko chunoti de rahe h. Aur prakriti chunoti dene se hum par kya aafat aa sakti h ye hum bakhubi jaante h. Dhanyavaad -KAMAL CHAUDHARY (B.TECH. student, VIT MEERUT)
समय लिखेगा उनका भी इतिहास.
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-05-27 11:09:49

न मैं वकील हूँ,न जाटों का बस्ता उठाये फिरता हूँ.पत्रकार के रूप में बरसों से समझने की कोशिश कर रहा हूँ समाज को.समझ पाया हूँ कि पीढ़ियों से चले आ रहे सोशल परसेप्शन आसानी से नहीं बदलते. उन्हें बदलने का दुस्साहस करने वालों को समाज ही बदल डालता है.
बड़ी अकलमंदी की कांग्रेस ने,शाहबानो मामले में मुसलमानों से पंगा नहीं लिया.सिखों से लिया था.आज तक भुगत रही है.अब संगोत्र विवाह की बात है.जाट अकेले पक्षधर नहीं हैं इसके.बनिए,पंजाबी,धोबी,खाती,सिख,मुसलमान सब विरोध करेंगे.क़ानून में संशोधन की बात है.कर लो.खाप एक गाँव में भी शादी पे ऐतराज़ करती हैं.शायद व्यावहारिक नहीं है.बात कर लो.मना लो.पर बात ही नहीं कर रहे आप.बयान पे बयान दे रहे हो.इस से बात बिगड़ेगी.बिगडनी शुरू हो चुकी.विश्व हिन्दू परिषद् सक्रिय हो गयी.चौटाला की पार्टी विधानसभा का विशेष अधिवेशन मांग रही है....यकीनन,जो बैठ रहेंगे तटस्थ समय एक दिन लिखेगा उनका भी इतिहास.
भाई अर्जुन शर्मा,सागरबंधू,सुशील गंगवार,डा.मदान,ईश्वर धामु,संजय,कमल,आदम सिंह आप सभी का शुक्रिया. इस बहस को मंच देने के लिए bhadas4media का भी....
our sentiments
Adam Singh 2010-05-30 11:44:04

sagarbandhu
There is no harm in inter-cast marriages.
One should feel free to do so, but he must avoid marrying his sister,mother & aunt.

leaving science/DNA apart for a moment, Any govt or administration does not dare to touch a temple, gurudwara or masjit which is made on encroached land. Because it avoids to hurt people\'s sentiments.
It is in our culture that we accept a lady as our daughter/sister of same gotra.
So these third class migrant reporters have no right to hurt our sentiments. What would happen if the Khap asks its healthy youngsters to teach such journos a lesson.
jat identity in crisis
pawan kumar bansal 2010-06-03 13:07:05

The Khap controversy putting Jat identity in crisis
Agreed,hence the need for amendment in the act. It is argued that in case of conflict between a custom and a law it is the law that prevails, laws have been amended several times to suit the public and society.
CJ: Pawan Kumar Bansal Mon, May 24, 2010 13:04:06 IST
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Haryana News : Sirsa district selected for Youth Energy Management Programme

THE HARDWORKING Jat community of Haryana, Delhi, Rajsthan and Western U.P. is facing serious identity crisis. The whole country, Union Law Minister Veerapa Moily, National Human Rights Commission, media, particularly the English press and electronic media and Congress party high command is up in arms against the Jats for demanding amendments in the Hindu Marriage Act banning marriages between the same gotra (sub-caste) and in the same village.

The National Human Rights Commission has commented that no one has the right to take law in thier own hands by violating an individuals right to life in the name of traditions. C.P.I {M} has even gone upto the extent of smelling conspiracy by the communal forces over the issue as its pilitbuearo member Neloopatal Basu has alleged while addressing a press conference at Chandigarh recently.

He alleged that Hindu communalism was being used to establish the supermacy of one particular religion in the country. adding that it is divisive game of reacationary forces and they must be isolated in the interest of social justice and rule of law.

Khaps are being projected more dangerous than Kasab. I may clarify that i am not holding brief for thier alleged fatwas of honour killings and breaking marriages between couples which they did not like and asking them to live like brother and sister even after several years of the marriage. I also do not agree to their demand of banning the marriages in same villages as in some parts of Haryana adjoining Rajsthan and in Rajssthan it is common practise. Even in home village of Om Parkash Chautala, this practise is common and D.R.Choudhary, member of Haryana administrative reforms commission of the village is married in the same village.

But certainly their demand for banning marriages between same gotra has overwhelming support cutting across caste lines. Mange Ram Sharma, president of all World Brahmin Sabha has also supported this demand adding that marriage between same gotra is sin and it is not the issue conmcerning only the jats.

Gujjjars have also supported this demand. Even former top cop K.P.S.Gill has also supported the demand with a rider that Panchayats should not take law into its hands. Even this demand has scientific and medical support as marriage in same gotra may lead to genetic problems. This is not only issue of Jats.
It is another thing that being a martial communtiy they have aggressively raised the issue. Congress M.P. from Sonepat Loksabha constituency Jitender Malik while supporting the demand has assured that he will bring private member bill in the house for this purpose.

Shadi Lal Batra, a close confident of Haryana Chief Minister , Bhupinder Singh Hooda has introduced a private member bill in the Rajya Sabha over the issue. I may iask where the champion of civil liberties and those condemning the Jats over the demand for amendment in the Hindu Marriage Act were when the judgement of the apex court in Shah Bano case was overpowered by making amendment in the constitution.

Even now Darul uloom has issued fatwa that working in banks and opting for insurance is against the teachings of islam. union minister for minorities Salman Khursheed has rightly said that he was a muslim and has bank account and insurance.

The media partcularly the national english press and electronic media is flooded with reports concerning khaps using the word talibani, fatwas and honour killings. In Haryana it has become a political issue with Om parkash Chautala of Indian National Lok Dal supporting the demand and even promising to bring private member bill in the state assembly for making amendemnet in the Hindu marriage act.

Yoga guru Ramdev has also supported the demand with a rider to panchyats not to take law into their hands. The issue has put Haryana chief minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda in catch-22 situation as his party high command is against this demand.

Although as a part of damage control exercise his close confidante Shadi Lal Batra has introduced private member bill in Rajya Sabha over the issue but his opponents are saying that when Haryana assembly can make amendment what is the need of putting it into Rajyasabha which they allege is only eyewash.

Naveen jindal, young M.P. of Congress party, who was forced by the panchyats to support their demand for amendement in the act was grilled by the party high command. Union tourism minister Kumari Shelja has also opposed the demand arguing that couples should be allowed to marry according to their wishes.

Bhupinder Singh Hoooda says that khaps will not be allowed to take law in their hands as they do not have any legal authority adding that if somebody does anything good for social cause we welcome it. There is no need of repeating it.

Government has enough power under the I.P.C. to deal with such elements provided it has the will power to act. National media is reporting the issue without knowing the factual position. Khaps and panchyats are two different bodies where khaps have historical background doing good social work feels former haryana D.G.of Police M.S.Malik whereas panchayat is gathering of few persons.

Even the allegations that Khaps issue fatwas for honour killings is debatable. Rowdy elements of the affected area issue such Talibanic fatwas and the successive governments have failed to take action against such elements fearing vote bank. Such elements needed to be handeled firmly.

National media is creating confusion by clubbing the words same gotra and inter-gotra marriages. Jats have only put their demand to prime minister and president of india and they have all the right to be heard. Even Kasab was allowed to present his defence.
Condeming Jats without listening their viewpoint is not justified, says Yoginder Dahiya , a political activist and Lawyer at Rohtak bar, adding that there is enough provision in the Hindu Marriage Act for amending it to ban same gotra marriages according to the customs and traditions of particular area. He said that same gotra marriage is sin as it is like marriage between sister and brother.

Shamsher Singh Nehra of Meham Chobisi area also supported the demand while asking the panchayats to put their viewpoint politely instead of threatening of gherao of politicians.

Sixty five year old judgement of Bombay high court is cited as Bhagwatgeeta by the media to declare same gotra marraige valid.Same gotra marriage legal, court had ruled 65 years ago by Bombay High court, says Jagmati Sangwan, in a leading English newspaper of the country.

Keeping in view the historical perspective and the contemporary situation in mind, questions or issues should be raised, says Dr. Ramesh Kumar Maddan, a researcher and political anlyist, adding that no doubt, she is raising the various socio-political issues from time to time and supporting such families against the Khap diktats.

But in addition to this, the fact cannot be denied that the Khap panchayats are existing since times immemorial. The media and the activists who are not very well known about the structure and functioning of Khap panchayats as well as the culture of rural society.

It is widely accepted fact that we are living in the information and technology era. There is a crisis of identity prevailing in the biradari regarding marriages in Haryana. Under the prevailing circumstances there is an urgent need to understand and analyse the communities and culture in the states particularly Haryana. We find a lot of difference in the style and functioning of life style.

With the breach in the principle of village and clan exogamy, due to this reason there is dissent and challenge on this front? The extra- judicial power and activity of the traditional panchayats have severe implications for the state, the state stands devalued, unable to protect its citizens or implement its own laws.
For the progress and development of any state or society, leadership is considered to be an important factor the more dynamic, articulate and assertive leadership is the more progress of the state or society is expected to be. It is sorry state of affairs that the academicians or the power holders are nor taking much pain for the solution of the community problems.

Hence the crisis is at its climax. It is the need of the hour to think and introspect in the prevailing situation and play an effective role for the survival, sustainability and suitability for the social system in the larger perspective.

If we look at the historical perspective ,the various sources of Laws are---customs, traditions, history ,public opinion, commentaries, judicial decisions based on customary law in that particular community, legislature, executive, judiciary and contemporary situations etc.

Because the Khap panchayat mobilises a large number of people on the basis of caste, community, kinship, gotra and villages, including persons from the neighbouring areas. By bringing in a wider biradari from outside the village, links which makes the panchayat look more powerful are activated; issues such as breaking of social taboos, customs, rituals and hierarchy are used as the strategy of mobilisation.

Youth and women usually the affected party are not allowed to raise their voice regarding their opinion. The question is raised age and experience should be respected in front of elders. These highly emotive issues succeeded in uniting people in Haryanvi society.

In such a situation , there is an urgent necessity to amend the Act in the larger interest of the society ,state and system.

Haryana is no Bombay or Goa where girls even in Western attires can freely roam on beaches without inviting anybodys attention. The Punjab and haryana high court while rejecting public interest litigations of some residents of Haryana for making amendments in the act banning same gotra marriage has commented that no tradition can violate the law.

Agreed, hence the need for amendment in the act. It is argued that in case of conflict between a custom and a law it is the law that prevails, laws have been amended several times to suit the public and society as they are for the welfare of the society in a democratic country.


Posted comments (31)

Jagmti Sangwan was referred as quoting Bombay high court verdict holding same gotra marriage valid.Jagmati photo with the story regarding the judgement has created the confusion. she says that she has her own understanding of gotra issue which she has been putting strongly and it is non issue as no such marriages are taking place.

pawan kumar bansal | 03 June 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Hooda khap belonging to gotra of haryana chief mnister bhupinder singh hooda has also demanded ban of same gotra marriages. the meeting of khap headed by its president shrikishan hooda held on sunday threatened the members of parliament and vidhan sabah to either support the demand or face boycott

news in the tribune | 31 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Dr.lalji Singh ex director of center of celullar and molecular biology Hyderabad and scientist of international repute said that if same gotra marriages are not stopped then coming generations will be affected with genetic diseases adding that there is possibility of five thousand diseases in same gotra marriages.it is based on indian culture and have scientific support

DrLaljiSingh , ex director.. | 31 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


The reent notoriety of khap panchyats , the community courtsof the jats of haryanaand western U.P. is easy to understand. They want the hindu marriages act to prohibit marriages where both bride and groom belong to the same gotra.How should a liberal state that is sensitive to plural traditions respond to such a demand.Rather than to give in to such demands the law must limit itself to protecting fundamental freedom.It is for the civil society to help reate an atmosphere where youg people are empowered not only to choose their life partners but also to acquire the resources , necessary to sustain their choices

Mary.e.john, times of india | 30 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse

Dear Mary, Like TOI, your brain too has been brainwashed with the soap of Modern brand. A liberal state in real terms is the one which is firmly standing on its traditional values. Who and what stops young people to choose their partners, resources and blah blah? Do you know that even in Chrisitian laws/state inhibit the sexual relations of a brother and sister? But yes, you are an idiot for sure. ThanksRamesh | 03 June 2010

shobhaa de bahan ji it is to talk about love and sex sitting in aircinditoned rooms in mumbai. you consume tonnes of newspaper space talking aabout womjen empowerment and thier rights. are you aware of the plight of women of haryana.have you ever seen a poor labourer carryinng her new born baby in her lap working in scorching heat on raod under national rural employeement gaurantee scheme for rs one hundred fifty. have you seen the ladies carrying a bottle of water going to fields to answer the call of narture

luxmi devi karnal | 30 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


love,sex,gotra... what\'s going on? Naveen jindal seems like a reasonably sensible chap-dresses hip and modern.He appears appears to lead a modern life. wealthy eduated and well travelled.He is the kind of 21st century politicians urbanites feel comfortable around. So what;s why a guy like him doing a mess like this?Hard to believe we are dealing with kahp dominated headlines and gotra related stories in a n era where nothing was supposed to matter but love.

Shobhaa de,times of india | 30 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


congratulations for putting right facts about the issue befrore the readers

jasbir malik editor jaatratan | 30 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


congratulations to citi journalist pawan Kumar bansal and merinews for putting the correct viewpoint of the issue. the analysis shows writers indepth study and knowledge of the subject. same gorra marriages should be banned .

Caption Inder Singh. ex.m.p. | 30 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


congratulations to citi journalist pawan Kumar bansal and merinews for putting the correct viewpoint of the issue. the analysis shows writers indepth study and knowledge of the subject. same gorra marriages should be banned .

Caption Inder Singh. ex.m.p. | 30 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


I entirely agree that there is absolute necessity to save the honourloving jat community by amending the present law by imposing legal ban on marriage between the same gotras.History is openbook ;these old traditions are responsible for the survival of jats as Hindus despite the cruel days of muslim rule in Delhifrom1100ad to 1857A.D jATS WE KNOW have lived in areas close to the muslim rulers and invaders

naresh vasishtha | 29 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


demand for banning same gotra marriage is right and based on ancient values and scientific ground. at the same time khaps shluld not take law into their own hands

Shankar Lal Sahrawart, Rohtak | 29 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


same gotra mariage should be banned. Initiative by Indian National Lok Dal to bring private member billin state assembly for bringing amendment in hindu marrriage act banning same gotra marriage is welcome. governor should convene a special sessio of assembly for discussing the issue put by Indian National LokDal legislators

M.S.MALIK,CH ANDIGARH | 29 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


in case some sections of the society are so much convinced about the ill effects of same-gotra marriage,they are at liberty and welcome to propagate this \"useful information\".But the Talibani dictates of Khap Panchayats and their unlawful and inhuman actions are simply unacceptable in the present day highly mobilised society.I dont find any need for the amendment of Hindu marriage act.The believers of the custom have al lthe rights to practice this at their homes and preach it to the whole world.

m.p.bharadwa j | 28 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse

i THINK you have not got the point, Jats are asking for same clan marriages among Jats to be banned only not others. ------\"The believers of the custom have al lthe rights to practice this at their homes and preach it to the whole world\" Yes, you are right and Jats are not concerned for non-Jat marriages, they are free to do anything.Sanjay Mann | 29 May 2010

Pt ji, thanks a lot to raise the issue in support of not only jat but whole society. The English media or electronic media do not have any knowledge about the roots of our society hence they are always presents negetive picture of the society,they forgets that society can make rules but no rule can make society.

s k atri | 28 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Azad.K.Kaushik,Dsc [Paris] Pandit Mange Ram Sharma, President, World Brahman federation,delhi,ind ia dear pandit sharmaji, Thank you for asking my candid expert opinion about the outcome of gotra marriages.given our expertise in the area of immunogenetics in the context of health and disease, I am pleased to share our well-considered opinion on this important matter concerning health genertics.Essentiall y ,mariage within a gotra reflects inbreeding with significant health consequences .the studies from southern India have cleraly shown that a marraige within a gotra or closely related clan contributes considerably to infant mortality and morbidity. for these reasons , marriages within a gotra or closely related clans are not advisable because of genetic defects that are likely to occur. We , in the western word , are amazed with the wisdomof great rishi;s of India who created the gotra system to ensure that inbreeding does not occur and it stands to scrutiny of modern science. in fact because of gotra system and marriages outside gotra , north indian have few genetic disease as compared to others, for example , Muslims and jews where marriages within first cousions are common . In Europe and North Amercia , genetic counselling frior to marriage ,consistent with gotra system to maintain genetic diversity, has become common to avoid genetic diseases.i do hope that these comments are helpful to understand and resolve the current gotra controversy you mentioned about. please feel to let me know if i could be of further help in this regard.Ii is important to understand many Indian traditions that have a stron scientific basis and should not be discarded in the name of progress. sincerely.Azad.k.kau chik professor of IMMUNOLOGY

Azad Kaushik | 27 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


same gotra marriages were prohibited even during mahabharta period. it is unfortunate that youth is influenced by western culture.

Abhay Arya ,Rohtak | 27 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Vishav hindu Parishad has also supported the demand for amendment in hindu marriage act baning same gotra marriage.It has urged khaps to raise theior demands within constitutional limits and insteade of stoping supply of vegetables and milk to delhi try to convince powers that be about the justification of their demand.

dr. Surinder kumar general.. | 27 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Indian National lok Dal, led by OmParkash Chautala has taken initiative on the issue of amendement in Hindu marriage act banning same gotra marriages by puting a private member bill in haryana Assembly putting the congress party in embarassing situation. Its high command has oposed the demand and it is yet to be watched keenly what stands party takes over the issue . three legislators of Indian National LoK Dal namely Ramphal majra, Ashok Arora and Krishan Pal has given notice to haryana assembly speaker for convening a special session of the assembly to discuss their bill

news in amar ujala paper | 27 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


we have to protect our culture and old traditions.

Baljit Malik Gohana | 26 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


The cheap language is actually in comment of some Ramesh and not Sanjay mann as mentioned in my comment So i withdraw it as it was an inadvertant mistake. I further request the merinews not to display any indecent remark against a particular person. A civilised society should always encourage healthy debate on socio cultural issues with some dignity and humility. I hoe the website would delete the comment from some ramesh dated 26 May as it contains filthy language .Inderjit

inderjit | 26 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse

Dear sir , \'What\'s in a name...Ramesh ,Sanjay or Arvind . Fact is all young jats have same feeling towards you and 1 or 2 others like you. First , stop using this Puranik Brahmin terms..Gotra ,Hindu , these are loose terms , and of course Bhagavad-Gita , every Brahmin has his own version. Neither we are caste of Hindu religion , we are ethnic group living in a particular part of this country. We are talking about clan (not Gotra) and our ethnicity and it\'s custom and tradition , those are in our blood and passing from generation to generation . Marriage in clan is incest , marriage with-in village is incest , you know it very well still you are not against it . Is there some reward is expected from establishment or these Bengali journalist or there is any historical guilt. Arvind Malik | 28 May 2010
Inderjit Saheb, Izzat dene se izzat milti hai. This lady Jagmati Sangwan has affronted the whole community in the name of social service and modernity. Had you listen to lecture, you would have not expressed this concern over my use of words. Just try to reflect the pain and hurt she brought to me through her mornic and mindless views. I like to be politically incorrect and express what I think and feel. I simply asked her Would he allow what she has been preaching here and there? You guys are too forgiving. Sad!Ramesh | 27 May 2010

It seems that a section of english press has launched malicious campaign against young and patriot M.P. from Haryan Naveen jindal over his support to demand of khaps for amendment in Hindu marriage act banning same gotra marriages. Jindal who had attended meeting of khap held in his constituency has never supported honour killings. he has only supported the demand for ban on same gotra marriages and at the same time he has asked the khaps to launch campaign against other social evils like female feticide etc and i think that by this he had nmot committed any son. But engilsh media is projecting him as orthodox and supporter of regressive ideas. comparing his fight for every citizen;s right to hoist the national flag it is being written that when a crusader for individual freedom backs a proposal preventing two human beings to be in love and make a future together , one wonders what our politicians will do to get a few extra votes. adding that Jindal could be role model for rural youth of haryana but be blew it with his short-sightedness to remain in power. What a strange comparison between hoisting national flag and marriage in same gotra. i see a bigger conspiracy by his political opponents to discredit him in the party high command as he is getting popular cutting across the caste lines. Even jat leader and former chief minister omparkash chautala has also appreciated his boldness. Naveen has rightly asked reporter of a national english daily that whether she will marry with boy of his gotra He has rightly told the reporter that villagers consider their culture and traditions as it gives them a sense of security. The newspaper story has projected jindal that he believes in the khap patriarchy and wants people to practice it. naveen should not bother about media campaign as it has its own agenda. He should bother only about the people of the state. As i remind the readers extracts from the memoirs of ousted American president Nixon regarding dealing the media . He says that when you are morally firm and right on your stand then do not bother about media and have straight dialogue with the masses.Naveen has inherited values from his father O.P.Jindal who created hiss business empire by hard work

Mayank Delhi | 26 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse

I endorse your views and i appreciate Mr. Jindal that he is firm on his stand and dost vo hee hota hain jo vakat pe kaam aaye, and definitely Jats are also with Mr. Jindal.Sanjay Mann | 27 May 2010

Pity on the cheap and filthy language of some sajay mann We are sorry to have such below standard stuff among our younger generation I would politely advise him to rethink and try to reform himself.

inderjit | 26 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Haryana Arya Smaj Partinidhi Sabah led by Acharya Baldev has decided to impose complete ban on marriages solemnized without the consent of parents in sabha\'s temples.Baldev has aid that we cannot allow amariagess within the same gotra and which violates the established norms of the societyAgnivesh prominent leader of the smaj said that we promote love marriages and stand firm on the ongoing practise of marraiges which dont ask for consent or presence of parents adding that arya smaj generally discourages same goptra marriages but ther e is no place for such dikates against couples. .

Sukhbir Siwach | 26 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


panchayat held at Jind in Haryana in presence of mohinder Singh Tikat has demanded amendement in hindu marriage act banning marriages between same gotra and decided to socially boycott members of parliament and state assembly opposing their demand.meanwhile ved parkkash vidhrohi spokesman of hayana pradesh congress committee has described the threat at retrograde, illegal and unconstitutional adding that people of a particular class were taking talibini decisions in the name of maintaining their culture and traditions

Suresh | 25 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


residents of singhawal village in narwana sub division of jind district of Haryana boycotted the panchayat polls to press thier demand for amendment in Hindu marriage acgt baning marriages between same gotra.

Suresh,narwa na | 25 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Dear Bansal saheb, I have been referred as quoting the Bombay High Court Verdict of 1945 holding same gotra marriage valid. I have my own understanding of the gotra issues which i have been putting forward quite frequently and i repat it here also that a hue and cry has been raised on this issue as there were not such cases . You have perhaps seen my photo printed within another news item in the Times of India on 16 May issue. The story on me is actually in the in an inner page. Kindly verify and correct yourself. THANKS. Jagmati sangwan

jagmati Sangwan,Roht ak | 25 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse

So you mean to say that you don\'t glorify or support the same clan marriage? Can you tell us what is your understanding on gotra? and if you don\'t believe in clans, then you should immediately discard the use of Sangwan. Ye gotra bhee to Jatts ka he hain and start using some bangali surname like Jagmati Basu, Jagmati Ghosh, Jagmati Sengupta. etc. I hav e enough evidence to prove that you and Kirti Singh are getting paid through AIDWA by these fish eaters(communists) to raise the non-issues and also huge money is going to TOI, HT , NDTV through your AIDWA. AIDWA is a fake organization. AIDWA is run by the communist- the maoist, AIDWA wants to distrub the Haryana politics. AIDWA wants to bring naxalism in Jatland and Jats are ready to take up the arms. You are doing what Lala Jagat Narain of Punjab Kesari did. He was solely reponsible for spewing hatred on Sikhs, fomented the movement of Khalistan and paid with his life, his son’s life and many more innocents, who got stuck in the entire militancy. This was the Jatt miltancy in Punjab. Now you will see the Jatt militancy in Haryana , Delhi, West- UP , Rajasthan in near future.Sanjay Mann | 27 May 2010
I \'ve attended your lecture at KU recently . I ve not seen such a shameless, dumbhead and attention hungary lady in my life. What are you promoting for your own gain. Fact is that you are neither Jat nor a social person. Nor you have social understanding. Would you let your son and daughter sleep with each other in the name of modernity? Would you sleep with you own cousins? Shame on you you spineless woman.Ramesh | 26 May 2010
Media is using you and DR Chaudhary to malign the image of Jats.Sanjay Mann | 25 May 2010

Nilotpal Basu\'s comment was not carried by one news paper correctly He had actually stated that the gtra issue was being raised unnecessarily.Same gotra marriages were not prevalent in ahryana among several castes. Then he had said that the gotra was being used by some retrograde forces for the purpose of caste consolidation to gain power in the same way as the communal forces have been using religious feelings for the sake of grabbing political power . pl correct yourself. Secondly you have grossly misread Jagmati\'s story in the Times of India It her photo in a box of another news while her story was on the inside pages. You have wrongly mentioned that she had quoted thw Bombay High Court judgement in favour of the same gotra marriages. It is untrue Pl check up the relevant news paper and you will realise your mistaken view.

inderjit | 25 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse

Are you the spokesperson of these fish eaters communist? and what these communist are doing in Haryana? Anything which is being written against Jats in the press are being done by these fish eater journalist.Sanjay Mann | 25 May 2010

Same gotra marriages will break the society and lead to anarchy.Hindu marriage act should be amended to ban same gotra marriages

Raj Kumar Hooda, Rohtak | 25 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


customary laws should be respected.demand for amending hindu marriage act banning same gotra marriage is justified.media seemed to be in a hurry to project the khaps and a particular community in a bad light khap panchyats have played sigificant role during the first war of indpendence in 1857 as well as their role in maintaining a code of conduct when there were no written laws

Abhimanu bjp leader | 25 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse

Now the Khap should meet all the MLA\'s/MP\'s of Haryana and should call the media and ask that MLA about his stand regarding same clan marriages in front of camera\'s and if he denies blacklist him for the next election. or if possible force them to resign.Sanjay Mann | 25 May 2010

khaps are doing their jobs very well.laws must be amended.

surender singh | 24 May 2010 Reply to Comment | New Comment | Report Abuse


Laws are made for the welfare of the societies.if kids are not knowing their moral values,it will lead to a value less society ,not knowing what is bro and sis,cousin,their gotras,their ancestors.so our laws must be amended at least for those who (community)wants.



...तो कहीं की न रहेगी कांग्रेस!!
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-06-03 15:34:36

मेरा लेख बुद्धिजीवियों को झकझोरेगा,बहस छिड़ेगी,मुझे पता था.मैं अभी भी संवाद और किसी सहमति के हक़ में हूँ.पत्रकार के रूप में मेरा अनुभव है कि बिगड़ी बात अगर बातचीत से नहीं बनी है तो वो हरियाणा में सरकार की ताकत या पुलिस से तो नहीं बन पाई है.कंडेला,नीसंग और नावां इसके सबूत हैं.
मुझे ये भी मालूम है कि भूपेंद्र सिंह हुड्डा समेत हरियाणा का हर कांग्रेसी परेशान है.हाईकमान के आगे बोलती बंद है.इधर हरियाणा में दिख रहा है कि जड़ें खुद रही हैं.संगोत्र विवाह समस्या सबकी है सो दूसरी बिरादरियां खुल के साथ आने लगी हैं.भगवान् न करे कोई टकराव हो.पर वो हुआ तो कांग्रेस समूचे उत्तर भारत में किसी भी बिरादरी को मुंह दिखाने लायक नहीं रहेगी.सदियों तक..!!
GONE WITH THE WIND..!!
An analyst 2010-06-04 21:33:02

CM Hooda succumbs to tremendous under current.Tries find truce with khaaps.Repeats Naveen Jindal.Goes a step ahead instead.Sings on same tune.Says,sangotra-marriages aren\'t acceptable.
Hooda tries save cong but will cong excuse Him?
customs of a region.
adam singh 2010-06-09 20:46:30

Can anyone from North India agree with a south Indian writer that a maternal uncle [Maama] should marry his real Bhanji ? So try to read customs of a region.
pahle khud sudhare
Rajpal 2010-06-14 19:47:52

gotra ke nam par kewal thondagiri ho rahi hai. khap panchayat bar bar vivad ko bdhawa dekar iska prachar kar rahi hai. n jane log kya-2 tark de rahe hai. such hai ki jab jato me itani jagriti hai to sare sagotra vivah jato me kyo ho rahe hai. darsal jisme adhik khot haota hai wo sabse jyada tark deta hai, yahi hal jato ka hai, ek taraf allahabad high court sudra se utpati batata hai to dusari taraf log na jane kya-kya kahate hai. pahale jat samaj khud sudhare. pure hindu samaj ka theka n le.
Hum nahi Sudhrenge
san 2010-06-18 01:49:30

Rajpal

Jat bigde huo ko Sudharte hain.

Allabhad High Court-Shudra etc.
Still Jats do not have any reservation at national level, How can a community be general in haryana,punjab and obc in other parts. These are the double standard of you idiots. First you people collectively decide that who are Jats ,they are shudras or something else. If they are shudra\'s then they must be given reservation , ASk your mother or sister or daughter, at one point of time in their lifetime , they must have slept with a Jatt.

Kindly help us in getting reservation.
Jat Kabhi Hindu tha hee nahi
san 2010-06-18 02:07:21

Jat is NOT a Caste but is an Ethnic Tribe.
So Stop claiming false claim and gotra is a loose term for Jats, Jats do have a clan system not a gotra system.

\"allahabad high court sudra se utpati batata hai\"

OK, sudra teri maa ka naam hain ya teri behan ka jaha se Jato kee utpati hua hain.

Kyonki uttpati kissi bhee insaan kee hole se hee ho sakti hain, Jaise Jato ke uttpati teri maa ke hole se hua hain

Badi himmat mari teri maa/behan ne jinke hole main se intne saare Jat Allahaaabad high court hote hue JatLand tak phunche.
cong. maranewali nahi hai
arun kaushik 2010-06-15 20:05:33

hindustan se congress maranewali nahi hai. congress kewal jato ki soch me marati hai aur har bar jinda ho jati hai. cong is desh ke logo ki nabz ko achchi tarah se pehchanti hai. NDA ki lakh koshish ke bavjud cong khatm nahi ho payi, balki cong dobara jivit ho gai. haryna me chal rahe vivad ko cong. bahut jald hi thande baste me dalanewali hai. haryaname devilal aur bhajanlal ke cong. chhodne par bhi khatm nahi ho pai. aage bhi aisa hi hoga. satta badlegi aur cong dusare chunav me vapas lout aayegi.
Pl dont politicize it...!
Jagmohan Phutela 2010-06-16 17:31:44

I\'m just talking of public sentiments.I\'m just saying that any one who played or acted against the popular public perception has suffered,politically.I\'m not against any party.Not against the congress for sure,my friend.
Congress itself has realized it.CM has disapproved sangotra marriages under a well thought strategy.Who knows better than him that this issue alone is enough to decide the fate of any party not only in Haryana but entire North.
sanskari ban
sachin gaour 2010-06-17 16:16:46

adam singh ne jis patrakar ka class decided kiya hai. usne tumahre tarah saikro reportero ko paida kiya hai. sentiment ka janha tak sawaal hai. sentiment ka tumhe itna hi khyal hai, to vinod dua jaise patrakar navin jindal ki aisi taisi kar rahe the to tum jaise ghatia patrakar kanha the. tumhare certificate se kuchh milana nahi hai, lekin isase tumhare class ka pata chalata hai ki tum kisi bhi class me nahi ho. ithas batata hai jis koum ki tum vakalt kar rahe ho samaj use dasi putra ke nam se janata hai. ye hai tumhara asali sentiment. hindu samaj vagair kanoo ke hi aapni parmpra ko bachaye rakha hai. khatra hai to sanskarhin samudai ko jisme sagtro vivah ho rahe hai. aur sun le adam singh tu jis samaj me paida hua us samaj ka aapana koi gotra nahi hai, sare gotra udhare ke mile hai, jise tum dho rahe ho. sanskarit samaj ke bachcho ko vaivahik paddti ki puri jankari hoti hai. we kabhi sagotra ladaki ko buri nazar se nahi dekha karate hai. adam singh agle janm me sanskari :angry: t mata-pita ke ghar janm lene ke liye bhagwan se mannt mang.
Are you a ponga pandit or some dalit
san 2010-06-18 02:39:03

sachin gaour

Copy this link and watch Vinod Dua has to say:

http://khabar.ndtv.com/MoreVideos.aspx?sNm=Video&sSNm=News+in+video&video=nn1226261&status=true

sachin gaour tu kaya koi bhaiya or purabiya hain kaya?

Raj thakre is doing right thing by kicking on your ass.

Jat is NOT a Caste but is an Ethnic Tribe.
So Stop claiming false claim and gotra is a loose term for Jats, Jats do have a clan system not a gotra system.

You bhaiya/purabiya ponge pandit, son of ichhadhari baba or illegitimate child of Narayan Dutt Tiwari or morganatic son of impotent swami nityanand.

You ponga pandit or dalit always have lived at the mercy of Jats. Jats have always given you food by employing you on their fields and for performing rituals.




Anonymous 2010-06-17 20:48:06

sachin gaour
It seems I\'ve touched ur vein. Are you migrant who came over to north in search of bread. When Raj Thakre started taking ur class, you purabias portrayed yourselves as north Indian to get northern sympathy.
adam singh 2010-06-17 20:50:15

sachin gaour
it is not Anonymous, I replied u.
adam singh 2010-06-17 20:54:28

Rajpal & sachin gaour
What kind od hindu samaj are u talking about ? Why did Jainis left it ? The list is pretty long..Buddhists, sikhs,muslims,Arya samaji sect, Bishnoi sect.......christians....
tumahre safai ki ab koi jarurat nahi hai
sachin gaur 2010-06-19 18:28:08

ab tum bhi jai, buddhist, sikh ya muslim ban jao. sanatan dharm kabhi khatm hone wala nahi hai. rajput rajao ne sikh, jain aur buddhist dharm ki sthapana ki, lekin sanatan dharm ka astitav aaj bhi hai aur aage bhi rahega. aap bhi alag dharam chalane ke liye swatantra ho. sanatam dharam jitna koi bhi dharm samridh nahi hai aur n hoga. rahi baat raj tahkre ki to rajthakre cong ka paltu kutta hai. yadi raj thakre banana hai to tum kisi ka patta gale me laga lo. tum bhi neta ban jayoge. rahi baat bahia ki to mai multah hatyana ka niwasi hun. desh ke alag alag hisse me rah chuka hun, isliya mujhe jat samudai ke bare me pata hai. jat jati nahi hot hai. lekin ab jat jati ke rup me jani jati hai. kyoki jat char varno me se kisi varn me nahi aate hai. jat bhedo ki bhid ko bhi kahte hai. jise pahale jatta ka jata tha. yadi sach nahi hai to jat kis varn me aata hai aur jato ki utpati kb hui thi. kisi bhi dharmgranth me jat ka jikra nahi hai. jat apne ko kshtriya batane ki koshish karte hai, lekin kshtriya kahlane ka hakdar kewal rajput hi hai, jiski virta ki gatha har dharmgrant-itihas ki har kitab me padhane ko milati hai. itihas batata hai ki 1857 ki kranti me jhjhar ka jat raja ne gaddri karke british ko kranti ki puri yojna ka pardafash kar diya taha. is baat ka jikra amar ujala me shashi shekar ji ki article me likhi gai thi, jisme unhone itihas ka hawala diya tha. phijul ki vahas se bachana chahte ho to bas karo. nahi to mujhe phutela ji ki bhawna ka khyala karana pad raha hai. vahas kisisi aur disha me jane lagi hai. meri taraf se jo bhi bhadas nikali gayi hai. uske liye mai kshama chahata hun. vishesh taur par phutela ji se. yadi aur kuch padhana chahte ho to adam singh apna lekh likho jato ki utpati kaise hun. phir dekho kaisi-kasi pratikriyae mil rahi hai.
Origin of Jats
san 2010-06-19 20:38:53

If you really interested in knowing the Origin, History of Jats, Come here at www.jattworld.com
Jats were budhist never a sanatani
san 2010-06-19 20:55:13

\"ab tum bhi jai, buddhist, sikh ya muslim ban jao\"

Jats are already sikh(70% of total sikh population are Jats)

There are good number of muslim jats in India , Pakistan and other countries.

Buddhist- all Jats were budhist till harshavardhan(600 AD). After that muslim attacks were started and Jats were engaged with muslim invaders. During this period Jat king Harshvardhan Bens formulated the Khap system and Joined all the Jat khaps together from Kannauj to Rajasthan, Punjab, haryana to Pakistan to Afaganistan and named them Serv- Khap Panchayat System. From that time Jats are fighting with Muslim Invaders,Lodhis, Mughuls, Britishers and today we are fighting with media, Indian Government, and with ponge pandit/dalit like you for the same clan marriage.
You are a fool and an idiot also
san 2010-06-19 21:10:19

\"sanatan dharm kabhi khatm hone wala nahi hai. rajput rajao ne sikh, jain aur buddhist dharm ki sthapana ki\"

Sikhism was inducted by Guru Nanak ji to Guru Gobin Singh ji and all were Punjabi Khatri\'s but life was given to sikhism by Jats.
Read Sikh History you idiot ponge.

Jain - Jainism is an oldest religion, but rajputs were created in 10 AD.

Buddhist -answer is Same as Jainism

sanatan dharmi - they are very few, soon they will be getting a minority status. A bill is in the pipline.

Don\'t preach us
san 2010-06-19 21:37:50

\"aap bhi alag dharam chalane ke liye swatantra ho. sanatam dharam jitna koi bhi dharm samridh nahi hai aur n hoga.\"

Ye lootne khaane ka eak jariya hain.

99.9999% People are fraud/chor/ maang kar khaane wale log hain.

AAj eak aur Shrama pakda gaya(Police have arrested this sanatan dharmi shrama and his son for railway recruitment fraud).
This is the truth of you ponge pandit. Tum logo ne iss desh ko kayarta, bhrastachar, chori chakri,chaaplusi, lootna khana sikhaya hain. Aur koi bhee yogdaan nahi hain tumhara iss desh ke liye,

Chayhe ho Iiccha Dhari Baba(Bhaiya) Ho
ya swami impotent Nityanand ho
ya narayan datt Tiwari Ho
aur hajaro ponge pandit, jo kee daily koi na koi illegal activity main involve rehte hai.
Ya Journalist pathak girl ho, sabhi ke sabhi corrupt and unfaithful hain.
You are not a Haryanvi,multah tu bhaiya hain
san 2010-06-19 21:50:40

\"rahi baat raj tahkre ki to rajthakre cong ka paltu kutta hai. yadi raj thakre banana hai to tum kisi ka patta gale me laga lo. tum bhi neta ban jayoge. rahi baat bahia ki to mai multah hatyana ka niwasi hun\"

Aur tu BJP/RSS/VHP ka paltu kutta hain.

Ab tum log raj thakre ke dar se apne aap ko bhiya kahalane se bhee darne lage ho,
Apne aap ko Harayanvi kahana suru kar diya hain tum logo ne. Lakin pakkade jaavoge aur pachaan liye jaavoge. Phir tumhaari pittai bhe jaroor hogi.

Tum log kaha- kaha se bachoge, agar mumbai se bachoge to aasam main pittoge. Aasam se bachoge to Delhi main Pittoge, Aur dilli main bachoge to Punjab main Pittoge aur aagar Vaha se bhee bache to haryana walo se to tumhe bhagwaan bhee nahi bacha sakta.


Harayanvi
san 2010-06-19 22:44:34

\"rahi baat bahia ki to mai multah hatyana ka niwasi hun. desh ke alag alag hisse me rah chuka hun, isliya mujhe jat samudai ke bare me pata hai.\"

Agar tu haryanvi hota, to tujhe Jato ke baare main jaroor pata hota, Desh ke dusre hisso main jaane kee jaroorat nahi thee.

Ponge Pandit 1
san 2010-06-19 22:57:32

\"\"jat jati nahi hot hai. lekin ab jat jati ke rup me jani jati hai. \"\"

Why are you so much concerned about Jat is a caste or not? Kaya kisi Jat ne teri Maa ya Behan/Beti Ka Balatkaar kar diya hain kaya ya kisi Khap ne tere ko haryana se nikaal diya hain?
Ponga Pandit 2 - varna System
san 2010-06-19 23:31:05

\"kyoki jat char varno me se kisi varn me nahi aate hai\".

I think you are suffering from mental disorder. need some special medication.

Kabhi tu kheta hain ke jat koi jati nahi hoti, agar Jat koi jati nahi hoti to vo inn char varno main kaha se aayenge. agar jat koi jati hoti to vo inn char varno main jaroor hona chaiye the.

Jat kisi ponge pandit ke kahne se nahi chalte.

jats have kicked on the ass of this verna system and on the ass of those who advocates it or its originator.

Jat is not a Caste but an ethnic tribe.Get it straight in your head ponge.

castes are profession based like nai, a ponga pandit, a dhobi, Kumhaar, car painter, shoemaker etc. These are caste.

Tribes like Jats are only found in North-West India and not other parts of india. If you take a ponga pandit , nai, kumhaar, dhobi etc. are found in every part, every village, every state of India. These people are for to serve the dominant tribe of that region. Like A nai is for cutting hair , A ponga pandit is for performing rituals and eating the freely available food etc.

If you take the example of North-West India, you all are for sure to serve the Jats and Jats are for sure to serve the country.

Like Jats are either a fighter or a farmer/landlord.

The Main occupation of Jats is to provide food and security to the people of their country.

They don\'t believe in looting people by becoming a ponga pandit or karma kaand.






Babua
san 2010-06-19 23:41:38

\"jat jati nahi hot hai\"

e kaa keha diye babua, jat jati nahi hot hai to phir kaa hot hain babua , tori maa ke jamaai hot hain.

Hum bataya te hain tohe babua ke jat kaa hot hain.

1. Aap sahi kaahat rahe ke jat jati nahi hot hain. Jat to tribe ko kahete hain babua.

2. babua Jat to eak tribe kaa namvaa(name) hain, babua tum ye kaha padhat liye ho ke Jat Jati hoti hain aur phir kaha dubara padh liye ho ke jat jati nahi hoti hain.
Babua-1
san 2010-06-19 23:47:58

\"jat jati nahi hot hai\"

babua tum delhi main kaha rahat ho, hum phir tumaka batai ke Jat Jati hot hain ya tribe.

Tum phir bataai humka kee Raj Thakre acha marat hain ke Jats.



Babua -2
san 2010-06-20 00:01:25

\"lekin ab jat jati ke rup me jani jati hai.\"

o babua e kaa kaha diye vo, koi matra/vantra padh diye ho kaa, Jo Jat jativa ke rup main jani jane lagi. e babua tum kahe matra/vantra padh diye ho eak achi khasi tribe ko tum jati bana diye ho.

e babua e bhute a galat kaam kar diye ho eak tribe ko tum jati bana diye ho.

Ab aap hum par thoda upkar kar dijiye aur Jat ko phir se Tribe bana dijiye , Kyoki jat to verna main kahi bhee nahi dikhai dete hain.

Jara jaldi mantra/vantra padhiye ponge pandit

Ponga Pandit
san 2010-06-20 01:45:11

\"jat bhedo ki bhid ko bhi kahte hai. jise pahale jatta ka jata tha\"

ee ka babua naya informationva de diye ho, Kaha kaha se laato ho itni suchna. Lagata hain tum he utha rahe ho Right to Information Act ka fayada.

Saala jaroor kisi pandatava se nikalvaye hoge itni saari information.

kahe babua Bechari Bhedo ko Jato aur bhaiyo ke chakar main fasa rahe ho.

e ponga tohaka kaisan pata laagi iss right to informationva act kee baare mai.
Jara khulkar batai to iss suchana adhikaar kanoon ke bar mai.

e ponga toheke ghar main bhed/bakri bahut hain kaya. Jo toka bhed main bhee jatiya dikhai det hain aur vo bhee Jat.

H.S Bingley(Tribes and castes) has said in his book :
\"When a Jat gets wild no one can stop him except GOD \"



dharmgranth -1
san 2010-06-20 02:16:42

\"kisi bhi dharmgranth me jat ka jikra nahi hai.\"

If you really want to glorify your knowledge and wants to know about the History of Jats then you should read History written by foreign historians not by some ponga pandit or some communist.





Dhramgranth -2
san 2010-06-20 02:35:32

\"kisi bhi dharmgranth me jat ka jikra nahi hai.\"

Konse dhramgranth kee baat kerta hain tu babua, Vo Dhramgranth Jo 10 AD ke baad main likhe gaye hain ya vo Jo 10 AD ke phele likhe gaye the.

Agar tum
Ved, Gita , mahabharat, Ramayan aadi kee baat kar raha hain to, jara aap iss aam janta ko Hindu, Rajpoot sabad(word) likha hua dikha de to aap kee badi meharbani hogi.

Kaya aap ye Jankari nikaal sakte hai Suchana Adhikaar kaanoon ke madhyam se or right To information Act kee Vedo, Ramayan, Mahabharat, Gita aadi main Hindu, Rajpoot sabad kayo nahi hain.

1. Kaya ye possible hain ke Koran main islam or muslim sabad na ho.

2. Kaya ye possible hain ke bible main christen sabad na ho

3. Kaya ye possible hain ke Jainism main jain sabad na ho

4. Kaya ye possible hain ke budhism main budh sabad na ho

5. Kaya ye possible hain ke Guru granth Sahib main Sikh sabad na ho.

Never argue a Jat where ever logic is required


Dhramgranth -3
san 2010-06-20 02:48:38

\"kisi bhi dharmgranth me jat ka jikra nahi hai\"

6. Kaya ye possible hain ke Serv-Khap kee books main Jat sabad na ho.

7. Kaya ye possible hain ke Jatland(North-West India+ West Punjab) main Jat sabad ka Jikar na ho aur vo rojana news main na aata ho.

8. Kaya ye possible hain ke Khapland(synonyms for Jatland) main Khap or Jat sabad na use hota ho.

9. Kaya ye possible hain kee Jatistan or Khalistan= Jatland=Khapland=northwest india+west punjab main jat sabad use na hota ho.

kshtriya
san 2010-06-20 03:06:02

\"jat apne ko kshtriya batane ki koshish karte hai, lekin kshtriya kahlane ka hakdar kewal rajput hi hai,\"

jATS DO not have any interest in the word kshtriya,Hindu,Sanatani etc, for Jats these are just loose terms mostly used by ponge pandit and dalit. Our interest is only in strong terms like Jats and Khaps or Jatland and Khapland . No more No less.

Kehene aur likh dene se koi kshtriya nahi ban jata. Chaihye isme Jat ho ya rajpoot or koi aur.

If you mean the kshtriya to be a fighter, then you are at right place to get your answers.

If you read the history of wars after 600 AD till 2010. You will find everywhere in the history of India that every war or muslim invader has faced only jats on one else.
For all this history you will have to read the history written by foreign historians especially by arab historian or central asian history not written by some ponga pandit or dalit.
1857
san 2010-06-20 03:39:47

\"itihas batata hai ki 1857 ki kranti me jhjhar ka jat raja ne gaddri karke british ko kranti ki puri yojna ka pardafash kar diya taha\"

Pheli baat/jhoot to ye hain kee jhjhar main koi jat rajaya tha hee nahi, Jhajhar main to muslim navab hote the uss time par(1857).

Aur tum konsi karanti kee yojana kee baat kar rahe ho Ponge pandit. Kaya koi karanti bina Jato ke sambhav hain iss dunia main aur iss desh main.

1. Jat Maharaja Nahar Singh of BallabGarh(faridabad stadium is named after him), was hanged by british in Chandni chok delhi.

2. In 1669, the Head of Sinsinwal Khap Gokul singh Jat was hanged by aurangajeb in agra for revolting against mughuls. In history this is recorded as the Ist jat revolt against mughuls.
It was jats who revolted against mughuls and produced a coffin for the mughul rule.

3. IInd revolt was of satnaami\'s against mughuls, Mostly satnaami\'s were jats.

4. IIIrd revolt was the Jat Sikh revolt.

5. Sheahed Bhagat Singh gave his life for india anathor jatt.

6. Charkha kaatne se aajadi nahi milti. Aajadi dusman ko markar milti hain.

7. After IInd world war british had an army of around 3 lakhs. Out of these 3 lakhs , around 1 lakh 92 thousand were jats soldiers. Bristish had intelligence reports that Jats are going to revolt and thought it will be wiser idea to free india.

8. Aur british jate-hua Nehru ko kaha agar iss desh par raaj kerna hain to inn jato main kabhi unity mat hone dena, nahi to ye dilli par jab chahaye kabaja kar sakte hain.
Ye sab nehru ne apni book Discovery of Inda main likha hua hain.

Rajpoots virta
san 2010-06-20 04:01:26

\"lekin kshtriya kahlane ka hakdar kewal rajput hi hai, jiski virta ki gatha har dharmgrant-itihas ki har kitab me padhane ko milati hai.\"

Tu koi rajpooto ka phithu hain kaya. Aur tum konsi virta kee baat kerta ho, There are no rajpoot kingdoom in india who not got fucked their daughter/sister by mughul rulers. In history , rajpoots are called as mughuls servents. They gave their daughter to mughuls and got them fucked by navabs. Read rajpoot history their marriage alliance with mughuls etc.

Ponge pandit kaya tujhe ye sab padhne ko nahi mila dhramgranth ke kitabo main that how the mughuls and muslim invader and navab used to abduct and raped and forcible marriage with hindu women especially brahmin girl. Then these jat Khap army came to the rescue of these brahmin girls. These brahmin girls were the easiest target. because ponge pandit were busy in looting the poor people in mandirs.

Where are you ponge pandit when your other brethren ponge pandit from jammu kashmir were kicked on their ass and raped your women and thrown out of kashmir leaving in refugee camps in delhi.

You ponge pandit your main focus is on corruption and looting the country.
ggkkl 2010-06-19 18:28:45

kkk
jat jati nahi hot hai
san 2010-06-19 22:50:55

\"jat jati nahi hot hai\"

Yes you are right, Jat jati nahi hoti.

Jat is not a caste, but is an ethnic tribe.

I hope you understand the difference between a Caste and a Tribe.

Jat is a Tribe/Race not a caste of Hindus or anyone else. We are or labeled as Hindus.
Jats formally never accepted hinduism.


ladana hai to high court ke khilaf lado
sachin gaur 2010-06-20 17:53:37

jat ka gun jitna bhi gaa le. tujhe samaj brahmano- thakuro ka dasi putra hi kahenga. ladana hai to allahabad high court ke faisle ke khilaf lado, jisme jato ne hi khud ko shudra hone ka praman diya tha. jagjiwan ram ke pas jat delegates bhi gaya tha. lekin jagjeevan ram ne jato ko yah kahakr bhaga diya tha ki tum log bahakane ki koshish mat karo. jin jin tathao par vahas ho rahi hai, ye samaj me failai gayi baate hai.
brahmano- thakuro
san 2010-06-21 21:46:48

\"Jat ka gun jitna bhi gaa le. tujhe samaj brahmano- thakuro ka dasi putra hi kahenga\"

brahmano :

Jats are jajmaan of these bhamin , these people have been dependent on jats for food at free of caste. In 70% corruption/loot cases these bhamins are involved.

thakuro :

about them only mughuls can tell you.


lower or forward
san 2010-06-21 22:19:32

\"ladana hai to allahabad high court ke faisle ke khilaf lado. jisme jato ne hi khud ko shudra hone ka praman diya tha\"

You can\'t make someone lower or forward by labeling or just writing them so. It is the bloodline which runs in that particular men or women which decides him upper or lower.

People like you only can write such things by hiding behind a computer not in reality. If you can come across a Jat or me then said these words to him or me or call him like this, will certainly make you upper or lower and then your bloodline will be decided.








brahmans
san 2010-06-22 01:58:10

\"jat ka gun jitna bhi gaa le. tujhe samaj brahmano- thakuro ka dasi putra hi kahenga\"

gun gaane ka kaam aur thuk ke chaatna Jato ka kaam nahi hota, ye kaam to pongo ke liye hota hain. Tabhi to usse baksis/daan/dakshina milegi. Tum log aajkal UP main Mayavati ki ass ko bhee khoob mujhe se Chaat raho ho Ponga

The quandary is with you ponge\'s that you never come out in front.

All you ponge\'s live in a dream that has nothing to do with reality

All you ponge\'s have this pipe dream about being emperor of the universe.


san 2010-06-22 02:03:58

\"ladana hai to allahabad high court ke faisle ke khilaf lado\"

Going to court was not a big issue, i think you people don\'t read news or watch news on television.
brahmin and Thakur etc.
san 2010-06-22 02:17:52

brahmins are those people whose life is based on daan/daksina, they are just beggers but claims to be highest but in fact they are the real sudra\'s of this world.

Thakur Who? they are billu barbers


allahabad high court
san 2010-06-22 02:30:50

1. To get reservation you need to prove that you are a backward,

2. Gurnaam Singh commission is also accepting jats to be backward.

Allahabad high court or Gurnaam Singh or anything else only can label you with terms such as backward, sudra etc. they can not change your identity, your race, your tribe etc.

A Jat will remain a Jat whatever category you put them in.
har insan saman hota hai
nitesh kumar 2010-06-20 18:26:28

kuch log portal ko majak bana liya hai. kripya ise band kijiye. is desh ka asali chehra yahi hai log mudde se hat kar fijul ke vahas karate rahate hai. log insaniyat se hatkar jati vishesh ke picche pad jate hai. jiska labh politician utha rahe hai. is desh ka beda gark aise hi ho rahai. dharati par paida hua har insan saman hota hai. ab vahas ko kuchh logo ne majak bana liya hai. samaj me yahi sab bhrantia faila kar ponga pandit ab tak raj karate rahe hai. sawal karne wala sachin gaur ka uddesya lagata hai kisi ko chidana hai.
Agreed
san 2010-06-21 20:58:32

u r 100% right
ab rahane bhi do yaro
Ramesh rawat 2010-06-20 20:24:17

akhir ye gaur hai kaun. ye brahama lagata hai. shatir bhi hai. kshatrio ko cahr hazar up jatio me isi tarah banta ja chuka. yahi karan hai aaj kshtriya kendra ki satta par havi nahi ho pa raha hai. jatvad is desh se khatm nahi hone dene ke pichhe brahmao ka bahut bada hath hai. har jati me kattarta abhi bhi kayam hai.
Agreed
san 2010-06-21 20:57:05

u r 100% right
aakhir pankti
span 2010-06-21 16:52:45

:D british aur mughle le gaye jatani, jato ke liye chod gaye bhangin, isiliye tum logo ki ho rahi budhi bhang aur launde kar rahe hai sagotra vivah. yahi hai asali karan. ab tu log ambedkar ko kaho mama aur mayawati ko fufi, tab tumhe bhi milega reaservation. itishree radhe-radhe.
aakhir pankti
san 2010-06-21 18:49:01

Mughuls and muslims navabs used to abduct and rape hindu women in broad day light especially the bahaman women and Rajpoots are the servents of mughuls and they used to get mughuls favor by offering their women.
It was jats in north-west india who fought with the muguls and used to get the hindu women back from the clutches of muslims, Jats had their own Khap army, which used to protect the fertile land.
Jat and gujjar
san 2010-06-21 19:02:33

\"\"british aur mughle le gaye jatani, jato ke liye chod gaye bhangin, isiliye tum logo ki ho rahi budhi bhang aur launde kar rahe hai sagotra vivah. yahi hai asali karan. ab tu log ambedkar ko kaho mama aur mayawati ko fufi, tab tumhe bhi milega reaservation. itishree radhe-radhe.\"\'

All the famous nartyangnaai (cabaret dancers) in mughuls court used to be brahmin girl and in mughul harem there used to be rajpoot women. All this is a recorded fact in history books of indian and foreighn historians as well as written by mughul darbaari poets.

Jats have always been short of their women, they fill this gap getting women from other communities.
They used to purchase women from other communities. they are still purchasing women from others communities.
Jats
san 2010-06-21 19:14:33

\"\"british aur mughle le gaye jatani, jato ke liye chod gaye bhangin,\"\"

Most of the british and mughuls were gay and they used to be in search of bhamin and rajpoot boys.

Do you know Anil Nanda?
He and his friends used to kick on the ass of that sharma(Jhanswar Sharma) boy.

This sharma/bhaman boy was asking anil nanda and his friends for three lakhs for getting sexual favor in return they got him fuelled.
Rajput princesses in the mughuls harem
san 2010-06-21 19:38:48

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Akbar_the_Great

\"The emperor solidified his rule by pursuing diplomacy with the powerful Rajput caste, and by admitting Rajput princesses in his harem.\"

Harem
san 2010-06-21 19:45:51

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Harem
mughuls harem
san 2010-06-22 16:32:53

Now you must have understood that how these rajpoot became powerful by sending their female to mughuls harem.
bhangin and bhamini
san 2010-06-21 20:46:57

Jats won\'t mind both bhangin and bhamini and are equal for sexual encounter.
sagotra vivah
san 2010-06-21 20:53:11

\"isiliye tum logo ki ho rahi budhi bhang aur launde kar rahe hai sagotra vivah. yahi hai asali karan\"

There is only one sagotra vivah(Manoj/Babli), other cases are not of same clan marriages, infact are of bhaichara etc. issue. But you bhamans are daily marring your sisters.
ambedkar aur mayawati
san 2010-06-21 21:28:22

\"ab tu log ambedkar ko kaho mama aur mayawati ko fufi, tab tumhe bhi milega reaservation. itishree radhe-radhe\"

1. Ambedkar was a friend of Nehru and made an alliance of Bhaman-Dalit-Muslims.

2. These muslims are those who used to rape brahmin girl in mughul period.

3. These dalits are made untouchable by brahmins by dividing spreading the casteism in the communities.

4. In Utter Pradesh the brahmins are licking the ass of mayavati , kashiram and ambedkar.

5. You bahmin lick the ass of anybody according to your suitability whether it is mughuls, british or dalit or rajput.

radhe-radhe
san 2010-06-22 18:09:23

When people kick on the ass of you ponge\'s, you people start chanting \"shree radhe-radhe\"
wearing glasses of castism
adam singh 2010-06-21 17:11:53

Mr Gaur
During veergatha kaaal, kings used to keep chaploos poet with them .Are you those poets\' son who is now writing poems favouring dalits ?
There had been Jat kingdoms in Sindh, Patiala, Lahore, Dholpur , Bharatpur,,,where they low cast people?
Jats are there at the major fertile land. You call them low cast people.
Try to learn the difference between cast & tribe first. Where you would put gujjars then ? You call yourself a journalist [wearing glasses of castism]. Grow up man.
adam singh 2010-06-21 17:18:07

Mr Gaur
Arguing with your is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while I realize that while I m getting dirty, the you are actually enjoying it :evil:
Birender 2010-07-08 12:36:53

I am against these kind of marriages like in same surname, same villages, and inter connected families like mama, mousi\'s children\'s.

The reason is that all are having the common generic effect. as you peoples must know that there is a very serious effect on your future when you have kids. there is a strong scientific reason involved just do some search in google you peoples can know that fact.

The trend which you are going to start is already runing in south india and now peroles of south india also start their marriages in other then their relatives. when they start changing their traditional then why blady our noth india is going to start this traditional.

Use your minds don\'t go in a wrong way as I can understand that now days young generation have attraction to each other and they fall in love but a person have to control himself.

For love & romance you can get couples of boys and girls but in same surname and relatives its not good.

We all are the educated peoples and they we are destroying our social values.

Always rember one thing that same surname and relates are always bother and sisters and blady you are going to damage this relation just fuckoff this kind of peoples who are start these kind of invention in the society.

Once this trend comes then you know what will be happened. this society becomes a forest and all people who lives in this society become the animals and start doing the sex with each other just like dog and pigs.

So still you have time to stop this kind of changes in society of Jats and other casts too.

Birender
samgotra
kamal tewari 2012-03-06 11:51:32

very good, i support u
shyam godara 2010-08-02 11:09:31

आपने बहुत अच्छा लेख लिखा बधाई
emran saifi... 2010-09-30 04:14:22

M faisal khan sahi se padho likha kya hai.... jitna time ye likhne mai lagaya ... utne waqt mai 1 baar doobara padh lete... :angry-red:
m faisal khan 2010-09-18 14:29:34

jagmohan ji aapne aik baat bilkul ghalat likhi hai mai vo apko batana chata hoon ki musalmano mai mama ki ladki ya mausi ki ladki se bhi shadi ho sakti hai apko jahan se bhi ye baat pata chali hai vo ghalat hai ,m faisal khan,channel1 saharanpur
bhai >m faisal khan....
emran saifi... 2010-09-30 04:13:26

M faisal khan sahi se padho likha kya hai.... jitna time ye likhne mai lagaya ... utne waqt mai 1 baar doobara padh lete... :angry-red:
balidani ha Jat
sanjeev Ladwa 2010-10-11 21:34:37

sir ap ne jo bhi lika sayad apni or se sahi likha ha, Lakin vastvikta yaha ha ki jat kom hamesa se balidani or bholi kom rahi ha. Isme apne sath sath desh ke liye bhi hamesa apna khoon bahane me deri nahi ke. Desh me jo halat bane hue ha usme dekh kar bhi jat kom apni bhartiya sanskriti ko bachane me lagi hue ha. yadi is or aaj dhayan nahi diya gaya to matr 5-7 salo me ek hi ma ke pat se janam lane wale ladka ladki dwara apne riste banane or pati patni banene ke vivad bhi samne aayege
one newspapers hindi delhi and .........?lose unde
sunny chauhan 2010-10-20 01:59:03

wonderful indeedi a matter of great sorrow ..i am journalists i do not know.and there is a limit to evrrything wet hard work never goes waste..[who is this gentelman?] iam have not yat decided.so i may be asuccess. iam waiting for someone. they always grind thear own axe.?vuews we ought to our country.?dealy ad the rich ought to help the poor andas a matter of fact no far and ner in vain ins and outs in times ?????[who is he what is his name?] sunny chauhan
band kar bakwaas
sunil bansingh 2010-10-26 03:07:08

abe do thake ke patrakaar....teri to ....
priya 2010-10-29 14:47:35

muje btae ki siwach kis varn me aate hai singh yadav ya koi aur pls
sa gotr vivah
Anonymous 2011-01-17 15:14:41

sa gotr vivha galat hai

sanatan dhar science me believe karta hai

or ek gine me shadi galat hai bhai
science bhi isko manta hai
Aap sacchai bayan kariye
saurabh 2011-02-05 00:07:54

:0 Jagmohan sir pehle to yeh request karunga ki aap pehle har samaaj ke baare me acche se padh lein ya jaan le din me aankh band karlene se andhera nahi ho jaata hai rahi baat khaap panchayat ki wo hamesha galat the aur rahegi haan muslimon ke shariya ki to shariya chodiye quran me hi likha hai ki sirf sage dodh ka rishta jiske saath chacha chachi mousa mousi ko chood kar saare riste jayaj hain apni galto ko chupane ke liye dusaron ki galtiyan nahi ginaye jaate pehle kabool karna seekhiye kewal likhne se koi patrakaar nahi ban jaata hai uske liye sabse jyada sabko samajhna aur accept karna bhi aana cahiye aur duniya me har cheej ke do pehlu hoote hai kuch seekhiye ya mujhe shaq hai ki jo patrakarita ki kalam thaame likh rahe hain aap wo bhi samaaj ke kisi thekedaar ke dalaali ki kalam hai.
कई बातों से सहमत हूँ! मगर कुछ बातों से कतई नहीं
Shafiqur Rahman khan 2011-02-21 05:01:13

पिछले छः वर्षो से इस मुद्दे पर काम कर रहा हूँ! कई बातों से सहमत हूँ! मगर कुछ बातों से कतई नहीं
रही बात खाप पंचायत की तो ऐसे मामले में खाप ने कभी बैठ कर किसी को मौत की सजा नहीं दी है! क्योकि खाप पंचायत का जो इतेहसिक स्रोत्य आईं-ने-अकबरी से लिया गया वहां ये भी साफ़ है की जबतक १३ गाँव की पंचायत साथ ना बैठे तबतक उसे खाप नहीं कहेंगे (खापो को गालियाँ ना देने की वजह से ही मशहूर नहीं हूँ :) )
सम्मान हत्याएं एक सामाजिक द्वन्द है इस पर एक लेख लिखा था लिंक है http://bit.ly/gOmS1O दूसरी एक बात बताता चलूँ की मुसलमानों में सगे के अलावा किसी से भी शादी की शरई इजाज़त है मगर कुछ मुसलमान जातियों में इसका चलन नहीं है! जैसे मेव मुस्लिम जाट आदि
May be innocense.
Jagmohan Phutela 2011-02-25 22:27:59

Thanks all the friends.Thanks for taking this debate to its logical direction. Thanks for sort of consensus on the issue.
I,with ref to what Sourabh bhai wrote, beg to say that I wrote- मुसलमानों में दूध के रिश्ते की शादी नाजायज़ है- only.No one contradicted it. I'm sorry if I erred in elaborating it.
I never claimed to be a perfect journalist.I'm still learning.Learnt a lot from friends like u too.Thanks n god bless u all.
hounor killing?? i say its talibaani ravaiyya
Parveen kumar 2011-05-13 12:49:46

honour killing ko main talibaani ravaiyya hi manta haun. khaap panchytein shadiyon main dahej aur dikhave ko kyon nahin rokti. kya gotra vivaad hi samsya hai. :angry-red:
JAAT RULESSS!!!
thukrela jat 2011-09-06 23:04:37

प्यारे हिन्दुस्तानियों [Dravidians]

तुम लोगो की गंड में दम तोह है नहीं, न तुम्हारी कोई औकात है
सो जिनकी है उनसे जलते हो

हम जाट है, सबसे लम्बे, सबसे ठाडे और सबसे दीलेर
और ये सब हमारे बाप-दादाओ के रीती रिवाजों की देन है
हमारी संस्कृति की देन है, हमारी पहचान है

हमसे और हमारे मसलो से दूर ही रहना
नहीं तोह काट के गेर देंगे

जब हमारी गोत्र प्रणाली से हमें कोई दिक्कत नही तोह तुम्हे क्यों है ???
let them go this is the only solution
Birender 2011-09-07 11:41:32

To my all JAT community friends there is the only solution is that those who are going to do this kind same surname marriages let them go out of our community but be responsible for our next generation the only punishment they deserve is that let them ask to leave the community and settle some were away from our community.

hard punishment like killing or beating them its not legal as per Indian constitution the only rights to give any punishment is with courts in states and districts.

Punchaits don't have any rights to give any hard punishments to the guilty persons.

The maximum rights to punchiat is that they can ask the guilty to leave their village or fine them or maximum is to settle the matter with both parties by talk.

I also against the same surname marriages but I don't want to put blood in my hands.
M.L.A Anand singh dangi
mohit ahuja 2012-01-23 11:16:48

:love: bhut aacha ha hamara dangi uncle jat bhot aacha hota ha.
jai jaat
krishan jaat 2012-03-04 15:16:57

jai jawan jai kishan jai jaat only for jaat
anonymouse 2012-06-23 20:03:03

खाप पंचायतें अपनी चौधर कायम रखना चाहती हैं, उनके द्वारा मर्यादा की बात बिलकुल बचकानी लगाती है जबकि हरियाणा मैं कन्या भ्रूण हत्या, दहेज़ प्रथा और शराब जैसी समस्याएँ हैं . खाप की नियत साफ़ होती तो पहले इन समस्याओ पर ध्यान देती. कुछ दबंग लोग जाट जाति को अपने कारनामो से बदनाम कर रहे हैं. :angry-red: :angry-red: :angry-red:
anonymouse 2012-07-04 18:40:01

समाज में एक व्यक्ति शराब पीता है एक व्यक्ति कन्या भ्रूण हत्या करता है एक व्यक्ति दहेज़ के लिए बहु को प्रताड़ित करता है हम अपने समाज में इन व्यक्तियों को तो रोक नहीं सकते. फिर गोत्र विवाद पैदा करना एक पाखंड है ढोंग है तानाशाही है खप की और उससे जुड़े लोगों की.
dinesh kabarchha
dinesh kaushik smajsevi 2013-05-17 02:50:49

soniya ji hain bharat desh ki mata
kangresh ki hai kman
desh jnta ka nhi h kyal mhngai ki brmar
JAT+AGARWAL=JATAGRA
Bajarang Choudhari 2013-05-22 12:09:28

:love:
JAT+AGARWAL=JATAGRA
Bajarang Choudhari 2013-05-22 12:10:14

:love:
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